4th and 5th Street Improvements Pilot Project

Its amazing to me and somehow obvious that people in GJ can't see the future even when it hits them right between the eyes. Adapt and overcome, or go the way of the other Neanderthals.

Its amazing and somehow obvious that so many people can't see the future when it hits them right between the eyes. Adapt and overcome, or go the way of the other Neanderthals.

Back again, still with the same question. What studies or identified problems suggest a need to slow traffic down? Straight answer please?

also, what a joke turning right onto 4th from main st. Please, just a little common sense!

Yesterday, I turned left from North Ave to 5th St. I used the new forced right turn onto the street to head toward 4th St. There was a truck behind me and we both thought the road we were forced onto was a one way due to the lack of paint on the road and there were two cars on the left side of the road parked facing west. As I approached the stop sign at 4th St. there was a truck stopped across 4th from us. I saw that there was a white strip painted halfway across the road at the stop sign and had time to get over and the truck behind me followed as the truck crossing drove toward him. It was very confusing and dangerous.

Also, 4th Street can use some for signage due to the fact that there are some one way streets. It is very difficult to determine when driving on 4th when you can turn right and really how to do it since the paint and posts extend so far into the intersection.

I saw a woman carrying boxes into the post office after it closed to replenish the Priority and Express Mail products. The box looked extremely heavy and she had to park across the street and carry it in. I wondered why there was no longer close handicapped parking. I also wondered how elderly drivers were handling parking so far away.

I hope you rethink the design to make it safe for motorists as well as pedestrians.

Embracing diverse transportation options and accommodating all modes of travel is the right thing to do for countless reasons: reducing traffic congestion, improving air quality, improving safety of all involved (slowing the traffic down), improving accessibility for non-drivers, promoting human-powered transportation, and making the town more family and kid friendly. The growing network of bike lanes inspired me to leave my RAM truck in my driveway and bike to town on many days every month. Kudos and thank-you to City of Grand Junction for gradually making strides toward serving the entire community and making Grand Junction better for all.

Embracing diverse transportation options and accommodating all modes of travel is the right thing to do for countless reasons: reducing traffic congestion, improving air quality, improving safety of all involved (slowing the traffic down), improving accessibility for non-drivers, promoting human-powered transportation, and making the town more family and kid friendly. The growing network of bike lanes inspired me to leave my RAM truck in my driveway and bike to town on many days every month. Kudos and thank-you to City of Grand Junction for gradually making strides toward serving the entire community and making Grand Junction better for all.

I travel on 5th and 4th street every day for work. The change to these streets is untenable. They are far too narrow and dangerous with parallel parking in the middle of the street, not to mention the time sitting in traffic as someone tries to parallel park in a tiny space. It was difficult enough before to find space for the post office, now it will be impossible. Stop changing the things that made Grand Junction livable. I’ve lived here 40 years and have appreciated all the ways we are NOT Denver. Most people drive private vehicles in this area so stop pandering to the few who scooter or bike.

This project is an absolute disaster! Traffic does not flow well in this jumbled mess. Why is our wonderful community of Grand Junction trying to be like the Front Range or California by changing the traffic layout to this? I foresee many traffic issues (backups, accidents, etc.) with this traffic layout. As I see only one positive comment on this guest book, I can tell I am not alone in my thoughts. Please reconsider spending tax payer money for this type of project.

Slowing down cars in a place where many people walk increases safety. There may be increased frustration and an adjustment period for drivers, but ultimately the narrower lanes lead people to slow down. Slower cars generally means less accidents but ESPECIALLY means lower consequence accidents. A pedestrian getting hit by a car going 30 miles per hour, or even another car for that matter, results in far more serious consequences than anyone getting hit by a vehicle moving 15 miles an hour.

For those that say that they only drive, chances are you Park and walk downtown, or maybe one day you get older and you can't drive any more and are forced to walk, or maybe your kids walk. The point is that not everyone drives, but everyone walks or rolls at some point in their life -- and to me it seems that pedestrians deserve safety from serious injury or death as much or more than drivers deserve the extra 30 seconds to a minute it may take on their trip to slow down through downtown.

THAT BEING SAID, the design really needs to address intersections better -- there's no clear/safe way for cyclists to turn left right now. I think intersections could be swapped to stop signs instead of of lights, the driving lane could be a little wider and the bike lane a little narrower. There needs to be some way for cyclists turning left to merge into the lane (brief sharrow?), maybe a left-sided bike lane or a two-stage turn for larger intersections.

I am so proud to live in a city that cares about the community and all of its citizens. Maybe this change won't stick (I hope it does), but the point is they are trying to make things better for the community as a whole, and they are willing to work with citizens and stakeholders alike to iterate and find the best solution. I 💛 GJ

Slowing down cars in a place where many people walk increases safety. There may be increased frustration and an adjustment period for drivers, but ultimately the narrower lanes lead people to slow down. Slower cars generally means less accidents but ESPECIALLY means lower consequence accidents. A pedestrian getting hit by a car going 30 miles per hour, or even another car for that matter, results in far more serious consequences than anyone getting hit by a vehicle moving 15 miles an hour.

For those that say that they only drive, chances are you Park and walk downtown, or maybe one day you get older and you can't drive any more and are forced to walk, or maybe your kids walk. The point is that not everyone drives, but everyone walks or rolls at some point in their life -- and to me it seems that pedestrians deserve safety from serious injury or death as much or more than drivers deserve the extra 30 seconds to a minute it may take on their trip to slow down through downtown.

THAT BEING SAID, the design really needs to address intersections better -- there's no clear/safe way for cyclists to turn left right now. I think intersections could be swapped to stop signs instead of of lights, the driving lane could be a little wider and the bike lane a little narrower. There needs to be some way for cyclists turning left to merge into the lane (brief sharrow?), maybe a left-sided bike lane or a two-stage turn for larger intersections.

I am so proud to live in a city that cares about the community and all of its citizens. Maybe this change won't stick (I hope it does), but the point is they are trying to make things better for the community as a whole, and they are willing to work with citizens and stakeholders alike to iterate and find the best solution. I 💛 GJ

Slowing down cars in a place where many people walk increases safety. There may be increased frustration and an adjustment period for drivers, but ultimately the narrower lanes lead people to slow down. Slower cars generally means less accidents but ESPECIALLY means lower consequence accidents. A pedestrian getting hit by a car going 30 miles per hour, or even another car for that matter, results in far more serious consequences than anyone getting hit by a vehicle moving 15 miles an hour.

For those that say that they only drive, chances are you Park and walk downtown, or maybe one day you get older and you can't drive any more and are forced to walk, or maybe your kids walk. The point is that not everyone drives, but everyone walks or rolls at some point in their life -- and to me it seems that pedestrians deserve safety from serious injury or death as much or more than drivers deserve the extra 30 seconds to a minute it may take on their trip to slow down through downtown.

THAT BEING SAID, the design really needs to address intersections better -- there's no clear/safe way for cyclists to turn left right now. I think intersections could be swapped to stop signs instead of of lights, the driving lane could be a little wider and the bike lane a little narrower. There needs to be some way for cyclists turning left to merge into the lane (brief sharrow?), maybe a left-sided bike lane or a two-stage turn for larger intersections.

I am so proud to live in a city that cares about the community and all of its citizens. Maybe this change won't stick (I hope it does), but the point is they are trying to make things better for the community as a whole, and they are willing to work with citizens and stakeholders alike to iterate and find the best solution. I 💛 GJ

Pros:
Slower moving traffic.
Extra bike lanes (for those who will use them instead of riding in the car lane anyway, as they often do.)

Cons:
Fewer parking spaces.
Much more difficult to park & reenter the road. Could be nearly impossible during heavy traffic.
Opening doors of parked cars this close to traffic and bike lanes seems unsafe.
Reduced visibility at intersections.
Increased traffic congestion, due to the single lane. Will likely result in traffic jams at rush hour.
Reduced accessibility for emergency vehicles.
More inconvenient for customers and employees to get to downtown businesses.
Tighter corners will be more difficult for large vehicles, including mail trucks at the Post Office.

Pros:
Slower moving traffic.
Extra bike lanes (for those who will use them instead of riding in the car lane anyway, as they often do.)

Cons:
Fewer parking spaces.
Much more difficult to park & reenter the road. Could be nearly impossible during heavy traffic.
Opening doors of parked cars this close to traffic and bike lanes seems unsafe.
Reduced visibility at intersections.
Increased traffic congestion, due to the single lane. Will likely result in traffic jams at rush hour.
Reduced accessibility for emergency vehicles.
More inconvenient for customers and employees to get to downtown businesses.
Tighter corners will be more difficult for large vehicles, including mail trucks at the Post Office.

Pros:
Slower moving traffic.
Extra bike lanes (for those who will use them instead of riding in the car lane anyway, as they often do.)

Cons:
Fewer parking spaces.
Much more difficult to park & reenter the road. Could be nearly impossible during heavy traffic.
Opening doors of parked cars this close to traffic and bike lanes seems unsafe.
Reduced visibility at intersections.
Increased traffic congestion, due to the single lane. Will likely result in traffic jams at rush hour.
Reduced accessibility for emergency vehicles.
More inconvenient for customers and employees to get to downtown businesses.
Tighter corners will be more difficult for large vehicles, including mail trucks at the Post Office.

I used to travel 4th and 5th daily not anymore. You can talk about safety but you really have created a safety problem not mitigated one. You are looking into how first responders can navigate this one lane road. Unacceptable that should have been figured out before the conversion. Two lanes to one will be a parking nightmare. I for one if forced to go down into the area and need to park on either 4th or 5th and am unable to parallel park due to traffic behind me plan to sit there until GJPD arrive and ticket the person behind me and then direct traffic out of my way so I can finish parking. Sorry but your engineering department failed on this one. Place the bike traffic on 3rd, 6th and other streets with a focus on bikes and leave your 2 one way 2 lane streets like they were. Also take down all of those posts what a

I Drive a School Bus Down 4th and 5th Street daily to pick up a child . The white short poles and one lane make it way to narrow to turn onto 4th Street Safely. Not sure what to do the special needs child I pick up lives on Hill Ave between 3rd and 4th Street these poles are making it very difficult and unsafe. And what about Delivery Trucks turning on to 4th St way to Narrow for Safety of not hitting the poles.

As a downtown worker, I think the changes will make a difference in the safety of pedestrians and bring in more biker commuters. It will take time for drivers to adjust. 5th Street is noisy with loud vehicles, speeding, and aggressive drivers. It is hard to cross the street at the crosswalks by Ramblebine. 4th Street was very narrow to drive through at first, but looks like the lines were adjusted. I have already considered riding my bike one day a week. Although bike theft is a concern.

I have been in Grand Junction since 1957. This is one of the least thought out projects I have seen. I am driving on the same roads I did in high school, when there was about 20,000 people here. You will create traffic jams and more rage than there is now ! Please dump this project and not waste more of our money on it.

In principle I like the ideas contained in the redesign, but I think that it goes too far in some places. I particularly think that the parallel parking on both sides of a single, narrow traffic lane is very problematic. In the previous configuration, parallel parking worked on the left side of the traffic lane(s) because drivers were able to open doors and step out of their cars, not in the traffic lane. The parking on the right side of the traffic lane is dangerous and might perhaps work in a very low traffic volume situation but not on high-volume corridors like 4th and 5th street. Consider going back to parking on one side, with a slightly wider traffic lane, and a bit more buffer for bikes.

We have been in Grand Junction our whole lives, since 1957. I'm still driving on the same streets now that I drove on when I got my license in 1967. With all the uncontrolled growth in this valley which brings traffic. Our roads are not capable of moving traffic safely. This is another bad idea by planning department and should stop and not spend any more money on this project.