Micromobility in Grand Junction

Which destinations outside of the existing pilot would be of interest?

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  Please end the scooter program

  by grahamprkr, about 2 years ago
  Hello,

  Everyday as I drive through my neighborhood and around the city, I see scooter litter everywhere. The Lime scooters are dumped in parks, in our neighborhood, on sidewalks and in many other places where they sit for weeks before someone comes and picks them up or uses them. I know it's purely anecdotal, but very rarely do I see anyone actually use these scooters. This micromobilty program is not providing any service to the community, as everyone has a car or other public transport, and then the scooters simply make our town look even trashier. Please end this program.

  Hello,

  Everyday as I drive through my neighborhood and around the city, I see scooter litter everywhere. The Lime scooters are dumped in parks, in our neighborhood, on sidewalks and in many other places where they sit for weeks before someone comes and picks them up or uses them. I know it's purely anecdotal, but very rarely do I see anyone actually use these scooters. This micromobilty program is not providing any service to the community, as everyone has a car or other public transport, and then the scooters simply make our town look even trashier. Please end this program.
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  Storage of scooters

  by Timhib, over 2 years ago
  I do not enjoy the amount of scooters that get placed on the sidewalks in the town. This town already struggles with making things handicapped accessible and now we park them on the sidewalk? Or should they be parked on the street?

  I do not enjoy the amount of scooters that get placed on the sidewalks in the town. This town already struggles with making things handicapped accessible and now we park them on the sidewalk? Or should they be parked on the street?
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  What a mess!

  by Schaffer970, almost 3 years ago
  This has become an eyesore throughout the community. Scooters are being left everywhere. I am hard pressed to believe that there is much of a need for these scooters other than joy riding.

  
  

  Recently visited several European cities. Guide's uniformly complain and apologize for the mess scooters have created. It is clear that little investigation was done before letting this mess in Grand Junction.

  This has become an eyesore throughout the community. Scooters are being left everywhere. I am hard pressed to believe that there is much of a need for these scooters other than joy riding.

  
  

  Recently visited several European cities. Guide's uniformly complain and apologize for the mess scooters have created. It is clear that little investigation was done before letting this mess in Grand Junction.
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  Require parking corrals

  by krnephew, almost 3 years ago
  

  This photo is typical of what those of us living downtown are experiencing outside of the area that "requires" scooters to be parked in a parking corral. In my opinion, if the scooters are to continue, all areas should require parking in corrals.

  By only taking usage into account when commenting on the success of the program for news article, it seems like the mayor is invested in keeping the program around.

  
  

  
  

  This photo is typical of what those of us living downtown are experiencing outside of the area that "requires" scooters to be parked in a parking corral. In my opinion, if the scooters are to continue, all areas should require parking in corrals.

  By only taking usage into account when commenting on the success of the program for news article, it seems like the mayor is invested in keeping the program around.

  
  

  
  
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  Who thought this was a good idea?

  by JG, almost 3 years ago

  Whoever in the city council who thought scooter rental was a good idea, needs to get out of town more. If they had traveled to any major city within the last 5 or so years they would have seen what a mess these scooters really are. They litter the streets and sidewalks in every city have been to. It really makes the cities look trashy.

  On my short drive to work every morning I can usually count 4 to 5 scooters sitting on sidewalks or thrown into yards of residents or commercial properties. As my family and I walked down... Continue reading

  Whoever in the city council who thought scooter rental was a good idea, needs to get out of town more. If they had traveled to any major city within the last 5 or so years they would have seen what a mess these scooters really are. They litter the streets and sidewalks in every city have been to. It really makes the cities look trashy.

  On my short drive to work every morning I can usually count 4 to 5 scooters sitting on sidewalks or thrown into yards of residents or commercial properties. As my family and I walked down main street this weekend we had to dodge 3 sets of riders ridding down the sidewalks and one group blowing threw a crosswalk when we had the green light to cross. Daniella Acosta Stated

  “We’ll be using geofencing as a way to delineate where these can operate or not,” said Acosta. “That will include users in their apps being informed of that in addition to the signage. Also, if a user were to get onto the sidewalk, the devices would eventually disengage and they would have to essentially move away from the sidewalk if they wanted to resume their trip or have their device be able to function again.” https://www.nbc11news.com/2022/08/15/grand-junction-city-moving-forward-with-micromobility-pilot/

  
  

  Another quote from a different article,

  “The GPS on a scooter is what data scientists call “noisy,” a bit like a fuzzy radio signal. In ideal conditions, it can guess its location within about 16 feet. But that guess can jump moment to moment, adding a layer of frustration to barriers that, by design, appear suddenly out of thin air.” https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-16/geofencing-scooters-westside-bird-lime

  Seems to me the “geofencing” does not work. 16 feet from the road along main street is the sidewalk. So even in “ideal conditions”, they would still be able to ride on the sidewalks.

  I have read many articles about these scooters and none of them have any positives. From people getting run over while exiting a place of business to people crashing them, going to the hospital and then not paying the bill (look up cost of scooters to hospitals). All City council would have had to do is read a few news articles to see that these things are absolutely terrible. Terrible for the health and safety of riders and pedestrians, and a terribly ugly eyesore for our beautiful city.
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  Terrible

  by Amybald1, almost 3 years ago
  There needs to be some accountability where the folks who choose to ride these understand and abide by the same rules that cars abide by. I have had 2 close run ins in 2 days with people (in this case 2 males) riding after dark and have run lights right in front of me. I nearly hit one of them and when he passed me I informed him he ran a red light, to which he yelled "I don't give a !@#$"... yet it would be MY fault if I hit him? They were buzzing EVERYWHERE downtown this weekend with... Continue reading

  There needs to be some accountability where the folks who choose to ride these understand and abide by the same rules that cars abide by. I have had 2 close run ins in 2 days with people (in this case 2 males) riding after dark and have run lights right in front of me. I nearly hit one of them and when he passed me I informed him he ran a red light, to which he yelled "I don't give a !@#$"... yet it would be MY fault if I hit him? They were buzzing EVERYWHERE downtown this weekend with no regard for traffic regulations. It was very dangerous. Then we're seeing them dumped on the sides of roads everywhere. I don't think this was a well thought through plan.
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  This is a solution looking for a problem

  by lwilson, almost 3 years ago
  What a mess. Poorly thought out and poorly managed project. As Henry Brown is well aware, not everyone thinks this is great. Two scooters lying in the middle of 26 1/2 Road near H Road. Just dumped there. I called him and he refused to call the company responsible for picking them up. He told me that I, as a citizen who had NO involvement in riding or dumping scooters on the road far outside downtown, was expected to stop my car, get out of my car, scan some QR code on the abandoned scooters, call the phone number listed... Continue reading

  What a mess. Poorly thought out and poorly managed project. As Henry Brown is well aware, not everyone thinks this is great. Two scooters lying in the middle of 26 1/2 Road near H Road. Just dumped there. I called him and he refused to call the company responsible for picking them up. He told me that I, as a citizen who had NO involvement in riding or dumping scooters on the road far outside downtown, was expected to stop my car, get out of my car, scan some QR code on the abandoned scooters, call the phone number listed, and then someone would pick them up. FOR REAL??!! Why should I have to do all that? I didn't dump them there. And why are they allowed so far outside the downtown core area or college? Who needs a sccoter that far north except some drunk or inconsiderate jerk who rides it and dumps it and leaves it as someone else's problem? Don't we have enough to manage in theis city without dealing with this? Like fix the freaking roads for starters so people who drive actual cars can navigate them without feeling like they're driving in some third world country.

  
  

  City of GJ - get your priorites straight and quit focusing on stuff like this and spending time and money on solutions to problems that don't exist. News flash - you're creating more problems.
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  Bad Idea in Grand Junction

  by DA, almost 3 years ago

  The e-scooter program is a disaster in progress and should be banished.

  Last night while attempting to enjoy a lovely dinner on the Bistro 317 sidewalk seating, two moronic “adult” scooter riders decided to ignore the large orange sign on the corner of 3rd and Main (no scooters on the sidewalk) and drove down the sidewalk amongst diners and pedestrians. No less than an hour later, near the Avalon, one of 3 “scootering” teens did the same thing. Apparently they felt like the rules did not apply to them. Today on Colorado Ave there were 3 teens riding up and... Continue reading

  The e-scooter program is a disaster in progress and should be banished.

  Last night while attempting to enjoy a lovely dinner on the Bistro 317 sidewalk seating, two moronic “adult” scooter riders decided to ignore the large orange sign on the corner of 3rd and Main (no scooters on the sidewalk) and drove down the sidewalk amongst diners and pedestrians. No less than an hour later, near the Avalon, one of 3 “scootering” teens did the same thing. Apparently they felt like the rules did not apply to them. Today on Colorado Ave there were 3 teens riding up and down the sidewalk and performing various tricks on the scooters.

  Here's the reasons the scooters should not be allowed:

  • They are unsightly and make the city look trashy.
    Our city is amazingly clean - thanks, in no small part, to GJ code enforcement. Let’s keep it that way folks. The scooters are ugly and piled up wherever people decide to leave them.
  • They are dangerous. Period. Nobody is monitoring their use. There are reports from other cities of e-scooter related accidents that have resulted in injuries and death of innocent pedestrians. I noticed a comment here indicating riders disregarding traffic signs.
  • They are not necessary. Grand Junction is a very small downtown. You can walk the entire length in about 5 minutes. If you get tired, there are plenty of places to rest.
  • They impede business. Some owners of restaurants that have outdoor seating have complained that the sidewalk riding rule-breakers have almost taken out their wait staff that have to cross the sidewalk to serve customers. Did I mention they are dangerous?

  90% of Parisians voted to ban e-scooter companies from their city. Why don’t we follow suit before they become a much bigger menace than they already are?
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  Charm Stained

  by Brant, almost 3 years ago

  Downtown Grand Junction has been listed as one of the most charming downtowns in the nation in recent times, which is really special! Leaving scooters scattered about in front of various business entrances, city attractions and in the middle of sidewalks will not contribute to that refreshing ambience, rather it will detract from it. Don’t we want to be known for the beautiful place we are? This idea doesn't seem to aid in furthering that reality nor does it seem to line up with the pattern of decisions carefully made through the years to help make this the wonderful place... Continue reading

  Downtown Grand Junction has been listed as one of the most charming downtowns in the nation in recent times, which is really special! Leaving scooters scattered about in front of various business entrances, city attractions and in the middle of sidewalks will not contribute to that refreshing ambience, rather it will detract from it. Don’t we want to be known for the beautiful place we are? This idea doesn't seem to aid in furthering that reality nor does it seem to line up with the pattern of decisions carefully made through the years to help make this the wonderful place it is today.

  
  

  Unfortunately individuals are leaving these parked on private property in areas not designated for parking as they should be. Rather many places the scooters are being left are designated for foot traffic such as in front of doorways, entrances and in main pathways to businesses. This creates massive safety concerns for hopefully obvious reasons. If someone were to trip over one and become seriously injured lawsuits could fly in all directions! The city definitely doesn’t need that on its hands. We have much more productive and enjoyable ways to spend our time.

  
  

  Why bring this unnecessary headache upon the citizens of Grand Junction who are proud of their charming city? What sort of lift does this even give our community when we have countless other ares we could focus on which would further build our reputation as a charming community more effectively? How hard will we have to work to make this something that is not a headache and an eyesore? Is it really worth the hassle?

  
  

  Continued focus on education, first responders, infrastructure, small businesses, fun events whether local or national, promotion of our beautiful national monument and bike trails to name a few items seem like a much better place for us to focus our finances and efforts right now.

  
  

  Please, before someone gets injured and our charm becomes stained, cancel the scooter pilot!
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  Safety Concerns

  by Sarah, almost 3 years ago

  As someone who honestly really enjoys these in areas like beach towns with long board walks, I have some concerns for the usage of these in this area. I'm fine with them down by Riverside where all the long paths are. (Even though there is concerns for these getting thrown in the river like other towns) I saw some placed at Copeka coffee. This area is not really a great place to ride a scooter with lots of cross streets, old side walks, traffic, etc it seems like a weird area to put scooters. My concern is with the growth... Continue reading

  As someone who honestly really enjoys these in areas like beach towns with long board walks, I have some concerns for the usage of these in this area. I'm fine with them down by Riverside where all the long paths are. (Even though there is concerns for these getting thrown in the river like other towns) I saw some placed at Copeka coffee. This area is not really a great place to ride a scooter with lots of cross streets, old side walks, traffic, etc it seems like a weird area to put scooters. My concern is with the growth and addition of more of these how we are going to enforce their poor usage.

  Overall I think these could be fun if we kept them down by Riverside but we have already experienced people riding them down the middle of the road late at night even blowing past a red light. I'm concerned law enforcement is going to be overwhelmed by people causing traffic incidents.